Messianic Jews Making New Push In Flatbush

Counter-missionaries warn of major center in heart of Orthodox Brooklyn, but residents seem unconcerned.

09/29/10
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On the 1900 block of Coney Island Avenue, a major business thoroughfare in the heart of Brooklyn’s heavily Orthodox Flatbush neighborhood, you could easily buy some kosher sushi or a few tractates of the Talmud.

Soon, the neighborhood’s residents will also have the opportunity to study the New Testament there and attend Jewish-style worship services that recognize Jesus as the Messiah.

Nearly two years after Chosen People Ministries, a prominent “Messianic Jewish” organization that presents Christianity as a fulfillment of Torah prophecies, opened a small educational center seven blocks away on East 18th Street, Chosen People is about to convert the site of a defunct Jewish funeral home into a Messianic seminary.

The future site of the Brooklyn Messianic Center and the Charles Feinberg Center for Messianic Jewish Studies (affiliated with the Talbot School of Theology, a Protestant institution in La Mirada, Calif.) will represent the largest presence of such a Hebrew-Christian group in an Orthodox neighborhood in the United States.

While the smaller center proselytized mostly to elderly Russians with little Jewish knowledge, the new center is expected to target Jews with the most intensive Jewish background. A particular target, experts say, will be at-risk Orthodox teens.

The converted building at 1978 Coney Island Avenue, which this week bore no signs of its future identity, will be a new, higher-profile front in so-called Messianic Judaism’s effort to establish itself as an accepted part of mainstream Judaism, anti-missionary experts say.

Chosen Ministries’ new beachhead in the heart of Orthodox Brooklyn sends “a powerful message,” said Rabbi Craig Miller, co-director of the Jewish Community Relations Council’s Spiritual Deception Project, which combats cults and missionary groups.

And counter-missionaries like Rabbi Miller and others are warning that area residents are not taking the new outreach seriously enough. “A lot of people [in the Orthodox community] aren’t aware of what this really means,” the rabbi said.

Moshe Verschleisser, another anti-missionary activist, agreed.

“One of their goals is to give the impression that they’re a legitimate Jewish movement,” said Verschleisser, who works with the Jews for Judaism organization. “I think we should be very much concerned. This is a big deal.”

Chosen People Ministries was the sponsor of this summer’s Isaiah53 campaign here, which — in billboards, subway ads and a Facebook page — promoted its interpretation of selected biblical verses.

“So far,” the Chosen People website boasts, “this campaign has resulted in more contacts with Jewish seekers than we have had in decades!”

Initiatives like Isaiah53 and the Messianic Center in Flatbush are putting Chosen People Ministries, which was established in 1894 in the Brownsville section of Brooklyn and was formerly called the American Board of Missions to the Jews, at the forefront of Hebrew Christian organizations, the best-known of which is Jews for Jesus.

Messianic Jews claim to have tens of thousands of adherents worldwide, although counter-missionaries say these groups represent only a handful of people.

The new Chosen People center will aim its message at the overall Orthodox community, an expansion of its current focus on émigrés with weak Jewish backgrounds.

Few leaders or members of Flatbush’s Orthodox community have taken steps to oppose the center or warn local residents about an impending missionary threat, Rabbi Miller and other activists said. Most Orthodox Jews, they said, are accustomed to seeing such Hebrew Christian groups (a term the Messianics themselves avoid using) setting up modest houses of worship and schools in Orthodox areas; Orthodox Jews in an Orthodox milieu are usually considered invulnerable to missionary ploys.

“We’re just used to it,” said Shalom Diamond, an Orthodox resident of the neighborhood who left Khal Ohev Tzedek, the small chasidic synagogue next to the Chosen People educational center on East 18th Street, following morning services early this week.

Diamond said fellow members of his minyan have taken a “live and let live” attitude to the missionary building, which clearly identifies itself in English and Russian.

“It’s like ‘The Mosque,’” he said, alluding to the planned Islamic center near Ground Zero that has drawn much public opposition in recent weeks — in other words, the Chosen People center is an annoyance, it’s offensive, but it probably isn’t a danger.

“We basically ignore them” at our peril, said Rabbi Moshe Shulman, executive director of Judaism’s Answer, an anti-missionary group. “Until now, they have been totally unsuccessful,” bringing few Jews from traditional backgrounds into their fold, Rabbi Shulman said.

Such missionary groups have developed more sophisticated outreach methods, beyond street-corner pamphleteering and sermonizing, and now feel more confident of making inroads into the Orthodox community, Rabbi Shulman said.

Someone from an Orthodox background who accepts the Messianic brand of Christianity is considered a prime snare, for the “symbolic value,” he said. “They’re not looking for huge numbers — [only] one or two people from that community.”

“They start by looking to weaker people,” typically to members of dysfunctional families. “They look for those who are most vulnerable among the Orthodox.”

Rabbi Miller said JCRC, which has monitored the work of Chosen People Ministries and similar groups for several years, says the Council has worked with anti-missionary activists and community organizations in Flatbush since Chosen People’s plans to convert the former Yablokoff Kingsway Memorial Chapel became known last year, but has no plans now for a citywide campaign to oppose the Messianic center.

“We’re still at an information-gathering stage,” he said.

The Chosen People building “will be the first accredited evangelical seminary in Brooklyn in recent years,” the current edition of Christianity Today, which announced the purchase of the 11,000-square-foot site, reported. “Once rehabbed, the building will allow the organization to provide substance-abuse counseling and to teach English as a second language. It will house a library for Messianic research and a 150-seat sanctuary.”

No date for the opening of the center is set, a Chosen People spokesman said this week, adding that Chosen People’s national headquarters will remain in Manhattan.

Questions about other details of the center’s operations were sent this week to Mitch Glaser, the Jewish-born president of the organization. But a spokesman said he would not be available for comment until November.

“The asking price for the facility is $2.1 million,” according to the June 2010 edition of the Chosen People bulletin. An essay by Glaser, entitled “Back To Brooklyn,” stated that, “the Lord is using us to bring the message of eternal life to our Jewish people.

“I hope you and your family and even your church will consider giving generously and sacrificially to help us reach the 750,000 Jewish people in Brooklyn,” Glaser wrote.

The organization’s “Brooklyn Messianic Center” on East 18th Street, which was established about one and a half years ago on the second floor of a two-story brick home, serves to “test the waters,” to gauge the reactions to a Messianic organization in a haredi area, said Verschleisser, the anti-missionary activist who lives a few blocks away.

The small-scale Chosen People center, which concentrates its outreach to elderly Jews and members of the Russian émigré community, has attracted only a handful of Jewish people to its worship services and has drawn no opposition in the community, Verschleisser said.

“The local community has been distressingly quiet about it,” he said. “Most Jews don’t see it as a threat.”

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Insofar as ones identity goes, the difference between a Christian and a Messianic Jew is that a Christian is a Gentile convert that has become a follower of the Jewish Messiah; whereas, a Messianic Jew is a Jewish person who does not 'convert' to some alien religion ... but rather he or she has at last returned home (so to speak) and has now become a Jewish follower of his or her own Jewish Messiah.

While I understand the importance of looking to sages and rabbis for interpretations and opinions, each of us, Jew and Gentile, will stand alone before the Holy One, Blessed be He. We alone are accountable for the decisions we make and the path we choose. If Yeshua/Jesus/J*** is truly Moshiach, an excuse of “because the rabbis and sages said so” will not be sufficient as we stand before the Holy One. We will be without excuse for turning our backs on him. We’ve been given the holy writings of the Prophets to which we can and should compare the events that surrounded the life of Yeshua. We must not look at and become distracted by what man has done (which has been incredibly ignorant and evil) but instead look only at whether prophecy was fulfilled and respond accordingly. The Moshiach was to bring the light of the G-d of Israel to the nations. There has never been anyone other than Yeshua who has done that.
One post questioned why after a generation or two the descendants of a Jewish person who chooses to follow Yeshua assimilate into the Christian church. Perhaps the reason is that they are completely ostracized from their Jewish families and communities. While the Jewish traditions and culture are meaningful and beautiful, when given the choice of denying Messiah or remaining with traditions that cannot redeem one from the penalty of sin, they have chosen the painful but only decision they could live with. The Jewish community is responsible for the assimilation.
I think they should make Muslims for Jesus see what happens to them then
Yeshua is my brother not my Father- he was born, lived, and died a Jew- not something that every Christian will acknowledge. Read the Gospels- Yeshua's words- not Paul's or Peter's that corrupted Yeshua's words and thoughts to make them mopre palatble to the pagans. There is nothing there that Jews hadn't thought about or discussed. Thery are based heavily on the Prophets- notably Isaiah, and the Psalms. He was a Rabbi and, dare I say it- may have been married, as all Rabbis of his age were. He taught a gentle ethic and his followers were Jews. The great split didn't come until later.
As someone who has spoken to many about Yeshua and who leads a Messianic lifestyle it bothers me when I hear words like, "target" and "convert". It is not about targeting Jewish people or trying to convert them. It is about sharing the hope and the peace that comes with knowing that I am in right standing with the G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob through the self sacrifice of Yeshua. I don't ever want to convert a Jewish person! I want to bring the peace that I have found into someone's life. I don't hope at the end of Yom Kippur that G-d is pleased with me and that my name is written in His book - I know that G-d is pleased with me and I know without any room for doubt that my name is indeed written on the palms of His hands. Jewish people are not prizes to be won or awards to show off. When missionaries want to share their faith it is not to have a gem to gloat about it is because their hearts are broken for these people. I know that there have been many mistakes that the church has made throughout the centuries and as a Gentile I am sorry. Seeing these pictures and reading books on these matters make me want to hug each Jewish person I come across because I do not understand how someone can want to bring death upon G-d's Chosen. I do not want to "steal souls". Sharing my faith with someone is not a strategy as the anti-missionaries make it appear. I share because I have asked G-d to break my heart for what breaks His. I have asked Him to allow me to see the world how He sees it. I believe that G-d loves the Jewish people immensely and that is precisely why my heart breaks at the degree it does.
I agree... Jewish buddhists are still Jewish too! Hey you know, the ultra-orthodox think the Reform are also not Jews. I spoke to a Rabbi once and he set the record straight. He said there is a technicality in the Talmud that all these converts (yes even Messianics) are still technically Jews, but they are just "sinning" Jews. See the difference. I see how one can "stop being Jewish" (in the religious sense) by not obeying Torah, but I am at a loss for how you can stop being Jewish (in the ethnic sense) if you were born a Jew? The atheist who ignores Moshe is still born a Jew, and so is the Messianic. They are Jews (ethnically speaking), they just don't follow Judaism. Why is this so hard to concede? Do we think we're losing if we admit to this? Hey there were tons of ethnic Jews throughout the Torah that sinned, but they were still children of Abraham, albeit unrighteous. You all are basically saying that being Jewish has nothing to do with an ethnic link to Abraham Yitsak and Yaacob? Come on now...
these comments outline just how dangerous and anti-semantic that evangelizing Christianity truly is. Obviously, just being Jewish makes you a target ... your a target for the Muslims, Christians and Atheists, all in their own time and place. The concept that just because we are Jews that we are eligible as targets for these missionaries is, at its core, fundamentally anti-Semitic. This is not an issue of freedom of religion. It is an issue of one organized group, Main Stream Christians, funding the assault and attempting the destruction of another group, Jews. The only Freedom of Religion here is that Jews should be entitled to practice their faith and live their lives without being harassed. It is the objective of these antisemites to attack Jews relentlessly. They are violating the freedom of religion that US law provides, and are NOT protected by it.
Messianic Jews make up less than 0.1 % of the Jewish population of the world... what are you people so afraid of??????
Only person who study himself the NT and the Torah carefully can tell the truth.
Oy - how can one be Jewish and NOT believe in Y'shua? It makes no sense!
There are people here interested. IF you want to help send me an email with your name and phone number and we will contact you. Moshe Shulman outreach@judaismsanswer.com
A few thoughts... 1 - Though this will always be a sore spot, there is the issue of freedom of religion in our country. If part of the way the Hebrew Christians express their religion is evangelism, then they are entitled to it. It is our choice whether or not we enter into the discussion. 2 - If we attack them too hard, we may end up drawing too much attention and curiosity to their cause. 3 - I am not entirely opposed to this idea of "live and let live" - as I am personally sick of fighting. Though I do understand protecting the vulnerable. But in all honesty, it seems that this article paints any Jewish person who became a Messianic as either marginalized, disenfranchised, or just plain dumb... is this really the case? I personally know several Ph.d Messianics... they are not as stupid as we paint them to be, nor are all of their converts. Some of their converts were actually Rabbis.. I even know one former Chasid who was the Torah reader in the synagogue for 15 years. 4 - I suggest we start having more dialogues with their leaders and try and understand each other, come to terms, and maybe agree on some ethical parameters for their "evangelism". If they are going to do it anyway, and it's a free country, then at least we can try and talk to them about some guidelines... any suggestions? If we don't start dialoguing with them... then it just becomes multiple counter-campaigns back and forth to keep disagreeing and having ideological fights through papers and publications...
Just another reason to get of of Amerika before it's too late and come home. When it reaches the point that soul-stealing christians can establish such a center in the heart of Flatbush unchallenged, then the bankrupsy of Amerikan Jewish life is revealed with all its tarnish. Simple as it is.

you want to "go home [to Israel] because Messianics have come to Flatbush?? Brother let me tell you... Messianic Synagogues are all over Jeruselem too! As well as Mosques and Churches... At least in Israel they are more tolerant and open minded than the militant anti-Torah Rabbis you listen to... At least Yeshua was pro Torah... You have made your Rabbis greater than Moses!

Thank you Dr. Bert. You opened so many interesting topics. Your basic argument as I see it is that since the Rabbis haven't accepted Joshua (AKA Jesus) as the fulfillment of the prophecies about Messiah that he cannot be. So, let me see any three Rabbis agree on anything. I have to be a gentile, no Jew would have such a name. I am in fact a Gentile. So what I say has no merit. Just keep that in mind. The Holy One told Abraham that the Gentiles would be blessed because of him. I believe what He was speaking about was the Messiah. I am a gentile blessed by Abraham and all the faithful remnant of godly covenant keepers in Israel. I worship the G-d of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Not some foreign deity. Yes, for centuries people carrying crosses have persecuted Jews. I admit, unless somehow I am secretly of Jewish decent, my forbears brought suffering to Abraham's descendants. As such I ask your forgiveness. The one thing about these teachings of Joshua, he said that the Ruach ha Kodesh would allow them to know the truth. This encouraged them to study Torah for themselves. This is the crux of your argument. We cannot understand Torah apart form the teachings of the Rabbis. We must accept what they have interpreted and not question or challenge it. I seek truth in Torah and what I see is Adonai revealing himself to me personally. I see the Holy One commanding Israel be a blessing to the Gentiles. I have received a blessing that has changed my life and have raised my four children as believers in a Jewish Messiah, not a Christian one. We have kept Kosher according to the Torah, again not the Rabbis. This is a stumbling stone. I am sorry. Should we be hunted down and made to eat pork? Once I was not obedient to G-d, but sensed him calling me to obey Him. When I did choose Him my life was dramatically and instantly changed. This is why we are ones who desire to share this new way. Because it revolutionized our whole life. Made us fearers of G-d, instead of blasphemers. It is because of the remnant of faithful Israel we had a temple, and have the Torah and Tanach. We have not been taught the rituals, but we can learn if they will bring us closer to Adonai. Unfortunately, many don't. I am sorry I am getting off topic. I just want to say thank you, I am one gentile who has been blessed.
It is not enough for a Jew to say "go away" to these evangelists. Reality is that the NT is bad for Gentiles too because it contradicts the Torah (which is ironic, since Torah is the very basis on which it claims to stand!). As long as the NT is followed by people, there will be Law-bashing, Jew-blaming, many-gods-in-one, blood-atonement-salvation evangelists. Gentiles need to know that they should be Righteous Noachides, and not believe in a religion (the Christian NT) that makes it a point to destroy another (Judaism). They also need to know that their own teacher did not go around preaching 90% of what their NT religion teaches. Who but the Jews can shine the light of Torah on these evangelistic Christians ? So, I'm glad they're coming to Brooklyn. Hope they get a taste of their own medicine there and return back Kansas as Righteous Noachides !

You have it all wrong. The teachings of the New Testament were written by Jews, Jesus, the apostles, the entire book set, is Jewish.

The Noah hide thing is false. NOONE can be saved by good works. PERIOD. Solomon said in Ecclesiastes that there is not a just man upon the Earth. Isaiah said woe for he and we are men and women of unclean hearts and lips. Jeremiah said the heart of man is depraved, wicked above all things. David said all have gone astray, each to his own way. There is none righteous, no, not even one. I am a Jew and I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ as my only eternal Savior. He is proven Messiah.

For the past 2000 plus years, the Jewish rejection of Jesus has led only to pain, suffering, torment, and death and destruction for us Jews. The Gentile Catholics who murdered Jews were not following Jesus Christ. The Roman Papacy and the other Replacement Theologists are enemies of Jesus Christ, and Revelation 17-18 shows what Jesus the Jew will do to them. Utter destruction from Him.

God is a Jew. God is a Zionist. Jesus is a Jewish man. Jesus is a Zionist. Israel, the entire full land promise is given to the Jewish people. The Jews are superior to all other people groups. The Jews will be kings and will rule over all the Earth with Jesus Christ as their King in Jerusalem. The Arab Muslims and all false religions will be destroyed.

Secular Humanistic Jews need to become believers in Jesus as do Orthodox. I love my Jewish people.
At least the Orthodox agree that Genesis 1-11 is literal history, unlike the modern humanist atheist Jews and Gentiles.

JESUS: THE GREATEST JEW.

funny
The holidays wound up, the papers turn to trivia.
To believe in Jesus is a threat? To whom? only to the closeminded and insecure! Wasn't Jesus a Jew? Weren't his followers Jewish? You can't throw the beby with the water. Beacuse of antisemitism originating in ignorance we Jews have suffered, we do not have the right to demonized genuine Jews who consciously belive he was the messiah. We suffer enough persecution already, if there are Jews who want to believe in Jesus and continue being Jewish, let them be. Let's defend ourselves from real threats!
Physical threats have been a part of Jewish History but God promised Abraham with an eternal covenant for the Jewish people "I will establish my covenant as an everlasting covenant between me and you and your descendants after you for the generations to come, to be your God and the God of your descendants after you. The whole land of Canaan, where you are now an alien, I will give as an everlasting possession to you and your descendants after you; and I will be their God." and over the thousands of years the Jewish people had remained connected to their values, Mark Twain a famous Christian writer wrote "If the statistics are right, the Jews constitute but one percent of the human race. It suggests a nebulous dim puff of star dust lost in the blaze of the Milky Way. Properly the Jew ought hardly to be heard of, but he is heard of, has always been heard of. He is as prominent on the planet as any other people, and his commercial importance is extravagantly out of proportion to the smallness of his bulk. His contributions to the world's list of great names in literature, science, art, music, finance, medicine, and abstruse learning are also away out of proportion to the weakness of his numbers. He has made a marvelous fight in the world, in all the ages; and has done it with his hands tied behind him. He could be vain of himself, and be excused for it. The Egyptian, the Babylonian, and the Persian rose, filled the planet with sound and splendor, then faded to dream-stuff and passed away; the Greek and the Roman followed, and made a vast noise, and they are gone; other peoples have sprung up and held their torch high for a time, but it burned out, and they sit in twilight now, or have vanished. The Jew saw them all, beat them all, and is now what he always was, exhibiting no decadence, no infirmities of age, no weakening of his parts, no slowing of his energies, no dulling of his alert and aggressive mind. All things are mortal but the Jew; all other forces pass, but he remains. What is the secret of his immortality?" In the past the threat to Jews has been physical, and across many generations Jews gave up their lives rather than give up their values, a person who is attacked physically looses their life in this world, a person who is attacked spiritually looses their eternity for the missionaries here is a verse to remember "And G-d said to Abraham, those who bless you will be blessed, those who curse you shall be cursed" Do you want to be like the Egyptian, the Babylonian, the Persian, the Greek, they made a vast noise, and now they are gone?
To believe in Jesus is a threat? To whom? only to the closeminded and insecure! Wasn't Jesus a Jew? Weren't his followers Jewish? You can't throw the beby with the water. Beacuse of antisemitism originating in ignorance we Jews have suffered, we do not have the right to demonized genuine Jews who consciously belive he was the messiah. We suffer enough persecution already, if there are Jews who want to believe in Jesus and continue being Jewish, let them be. Let's defend ourselves from real threats!
You DON"T even want to know what happened to us this summer with one of these people "Azalea Bloomiere" one of these missionaries. They are so slick. Please watch out. PLEASE!!! As soon as Yom Tov is over I am going to volunteer for the anti-missionary orgs.
There are a few things that I hate: 1. "Christians" that wants to make "Christians" of Jews (I put Christians in brackets because mainstream churches are not Christian by definition). Jesus would never allow pagan practices but the "church" does. 2. When people lie to "prove" a point. Mohammed was most definitely not Jewish - his "sabbath" was on the Friday, they circumcise at the age of thirteen and they did not, I repeat, did not follow the Scriptural dietary laws - the only food that they abstain from is pork and alcohol. And he killed Jews - go read your history. If Mohammed was "Jewish", why don't you Jews just all concert to Islam? 3. Ignorance - I hate ignorance but the world is full of it. The missionary should have told you what I have told you, because it should be common knowledge. Are rabbi's reliable in theological matters? Unfortunately not always, just like "Christian" theologians. Go read your Tanach and you will see that they don't always tell the truth, just like the people-pleasing "Christian" preachers. Or are you scared of the Truth?
Isaiah 53:4-6 (New King James Version) 4 Surely He has borne our griefs And carried our sorrows; Yet we esteemed Him stricken, Smitten by God, and afflicted. 5 But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, And by His stripes we are healed. 6 All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned, every one, to his own way; And the LORD has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.
Yes. It is true. Missionaries target the weak among us. The first group that used this strategy against us was Amalek. I once used this reductio ad absurdum approach effectively against a prominent missionary. "Can I be a Christian and accept Mohammad as the Messiah?" (If he says "Yes," he loses all integrity as a Christian. If he says "No," I say, "What do you mean, you are a Jew who believes in J****?!" He said "No" and immediately attempted to refute my proposition. He asked me, "Was Mohammad Jewish?" I said, "Yes. We could say Mohammad was Jewish. He observed the Sabbath, practiced circumcision and followed the dietary laws. These are three very important Jewish commandments." The missionary was very angry. He continued and "went in for the kill," "Was Mohammad born to a virgin in Bethlehem of Judea?" I responded, "That prophecy was just about the first coming. The Bible does not tell us that the Messiah will be born to a virgin TWICE. Mohammad was the incarnation of J's second coming." The missionary was so furious with me he could hardly formulate sentences. I asked him about the internal contradiction of Christianity. "Christianity is a religion which believes in the Messiah anticipated by and described in the Jewish Bible. But how do we know the Bible is the Bible? The Bible did not just drop out of the sky. The Bible was written by prophets, rabbis who did not merely write it down but taught it - teacher to student to teacher to student down through the centuries. When they taught the text to their students, they did not merely teach the contents of the text. They taught their students what the meaning of the text. Everyone knows that the rabbis did not teach that the Messiah of the Jewish Bible is J! NOW, ARE THE RABBIS RELIABLE IN THEOLOGICAL MATTERS OR ARE THEY NOT RELIABLE IN THEOLOGICAL MATTERS? If the rabbis are reliable in theological matters, then when they tell us, 'the Bible is the Bible and this is what it means,' we must believe them. However, if the rabbis are not reliable in theological matters, then when they tell us 'the Bible is the Bible,' we should not trust them. Now how do you have it? Are the rabbis reliable in theological matters or not? The best he could do was say, "That is just your opinion." I asked him about the objective difference between Hebrew Christianity and every other religion in the world. I asked, "In every religion there are families with traditions of adherence to that religion. There are families who have been Roman Catholic for 70 or 80 generations, families who have been Muslim for 50 to 60 generations, families who have been Protestant for 15 to 20 generations, etc. This is not true with the Hebrew Christian faith. Jews were members of some of the original congregations who accepted J. Where are the descendants of those Jewish people today? Where are the descendants of those Jews who accepted J**** just 60, 70 or 80 years ago? They are in mainstream Christian churches. They did not retain their identity as Jewish believers. That is because Hebrew Christianity is not a real religion. It is a fraud. It is merely a conduit to take Jews from Judaism into Christianity." The missionary had no comeback. When he asked me where I pray as a Christian who accepts Mohammad as the Messiah, I was tempted to respond, "with Abdul-Salaam Heinemann." There are five things that I really hate - cockroaches, mosquitoes, cancer, terrorists, and missionaries.
umm dr. Muslims dont believe that Mohammad is Messiah they believe he is the last and most important prophet...they actually believe prophet isa or jesus is the messiah and will return...he is not divine and was never crucified they took the wrong guy according to the Quran and Isa was risen to heaven...you're lucky that missionary is an idiot because he could've made you look foolish if he had basic knowledge of Islam because you can't be a Muslim or a Christian if you believe Mohammad was the Messiah...I'm not a Muslim btw I'm a Jew and I don't like missionaries too but I don't like incorrect analogies either...
Your comments are very interesting. Mohammed looks like Jew because he complied with 3, may be more of the 613 of the commands. Muslim believe that killing themselves save their life through their own blood (has some logic). Jews should be still killing animals today because the blood of the animals clean their impurities (not really too much logic). If the Jews do not have temple that is not an excuse, Israel has more than 60 years of existence, so not having blood sacrifices because there is no temple is an oximorum. Crhistians do not kill animals like Jews or themselves like Muslims, your cousins. I serve the God of Israel (the complete 12 tribes), the creator, not merely the God of the Jews that they think only cared for them. If you do not believe in the existence of a Being called Masiach (Yashua in Hebrew, not j*** in Greek, that came from the Catholics) you are late to stay killing your cattles and more blood sacrifices. Yashua came from David, born as Jew, lived as Jew, He was Jew and Rabi (like it or not) died in a ritual as the god's lamb and is His blood, blood of the same God, is the one who finished with the blood sacrifices and clean for a new reborn. Hurry up you are late to keep the traditions of you ancestors in sacrifices and keeping their dogmas without a bit of thinking. The God of Israel open your eyes. Suggestion. Read Issaiah 53 and Daniel, even if your Rabi desencourage you to do it Dr. Bert.
UGH! why don't they just be honest with themselves, and call themselves, Christians???

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